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	<title>Comments on: Column: Palin&#8217;s son transforming her to anti-abortion star</title>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2009/12/05/palin-anti-abortion-star-26278/comment-page-1/#comment-5310</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara, what blogs are those? I would be very interested too in reading about this.

The only stuff I&#039;ve read about Trig&#039;s glasses and hearing aid has been on the Huffingtonpost which appears to have an unhealthy fixation on Palin and whose moderator approves hate posts about people with Down Syndrome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara, what blogs are those? I would be very interested too in reading about this.</p>
<p>The only stuff I&#8217;ve read about Trig&#8217;s glasses and hearing aid has been on the Huffingtonpost which appears to have an unhealthy fixation on Palin and whose moderator approves hate posts about people with Down Syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now what we all need to see is Trig receiving early intervention, wearing his glasses and hearing aide (got this from blogs worried about how he is doing), and statements regarding how important it is to work with these little guys as early as possible to help develop skills for independence later on in life.  Just hearing about someone&#039;s pro-life cred based on choosing to continue a pregnancy after diagnosis doesn&#039;t help that child after they are born.  Trig is absolutely adorable and could truly be a great example of how best to support kids with disabilities.  That would earn my appreciation regardless of whether or not I&#039;d support or vote for his Mom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now what we all need to see is Trig receiving early intervention, wearing his glasses and hearing aide (got this from blogs worried about how he is doing), and statements regarding how important it is to work with these little guys as early as possible to help develop skills for independence later on in life.  Just hearing about someone&#8217;s pro-life cred based on choosing to continue a pregnancy after diagnosis doesn&#8217;t help that child after they are born.  Trig is absolutely adorable and could truly be a great example of how best to support kids with disabilities.  That would earn my appreciation regardless of whether or not I&#8217;d support or vote for his Mom.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandy,
Believe it or not, I&#039;m neutral on Palin.

But, as you stated, I certainly respect her and her husband for doing what an estimated 10% of people do: have a baby with a pre-natal diagnosis of Down syndrome.

Down syndrome awareness (good or bad) has increased exponentially since her arrival on the national scene.

That&#039;s all I was saying in a previous post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandy,<br />
Believe it or not, I&#8217;m neutral on Palin.</p>
<p>But, as you stated, I certainly respect her and her husband for doing what an estimated 10% of people do: have a baby with a pre-natal diagnosis of Down syndrome.</p>
<p>Down syndrome awareness (good or bad) has increased exponentially since her arrival on the national scene.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I was saying in a previous post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin - love her or hate her (and you obviously do!) - has (as Scott said) brought a totally new level of awareness to Down Syndrome and the debate over the ethics of aborting fetuses with Down Syndrome.

I have been Googling &quot;news&quot; on Down Syndrome since Google has existed. I used to Yahoo &quot;news&quot;.  Up until Palin was nominated, &quot;news&quot; items on Down Syndrome consisted either of 1) new and improved methods to detect Down Syndrome before birth (with NO discussion by the medical establishment on whether testing and abortion was the &quot;right thing to do&quot; - how many articles I read were titled &quot;Breakthrough for Down Syndrome&quot;) and 2) rare news items on Buddy Walks.

After Palin was nominated, I would Google &quot;Down Syndrome&quot; and find thousands of news articles - not the usual 3 or 4.  For that alone, I am grateful she was nominated.

However, I soon learned that insulting people with Down Syndrome was politically correct, as per the vicious hate posts about Trig on Huffingtonpost, Daily Kos, Washington Post, etc., all approved by their moderators.

Love her, hate her or just respect her as a parent (as I do), her choice to have Trig honored all our children: yours, mine and Scott&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin &#8211; love her or hate her (and you obviously do!) &#8211; has (as Scott said) brought a totally new level of awareness to Down Syndrome and the debate over the ethics of aborting fetuses with Down Syndrome.</p>
<p>I have been Googling &#8220;news&#8221; on Down Syndrome since Google has existed. I used to Yahoo &#8220;news&#8221;.  Up until Palin was nominated, &#8220;news&#8221; items on Down Syndrome consisted either of 1) new and improved methods to detect Down Syndrome before birth (with NO discussion by the medical establishment on whether testing and abortion was the &#8220;right thing to do&#8221; &#8211; how many articles I read were titled &#8220;Breakthrough for Down Syndrome&#8221;) and 2) rare news items on Buddy Walks.</p>
<p>After Palin was nominated, I would Google &#8220;Down Syndrome&#8221; and find thousands of news articles &#8211; not the usual 3 or 4.  For that alone, I am grateful she was nominated.</p>
<p>However, I soon learned that insulting people with Down Syndrome was politically correct, as per the vicious hate posts about Trig on Huffingtonpost, Daily Kos, Washington Post, etc., all approved by their moderators.</p>
<p>Love her, hate her or just respect her as a parent (as I do), her choice to have Trig honored all our children: yours, mine and Scott&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2009/12/05/palin-anti-abortion-star-26278/comment-page-1/#comment-5300</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the standards of an organization to define a person&#039;s actions only when it&#039;s convenient or relevant to your point...yes, that&#039;s offensive.  She has had nothing to do with the NDSS, why would you try to make some sort of connection between her actions and that organization?  Certainly comes off as someone trying any way possible to justify someone&#039;s actions.

And to your &quot;awareness&quot; point - using that logic I guess we can say Ben Stiller has done much for Down syndrome &quot;awareness&quot; this year as well?

The inability to suspend political loyalties regarding this woman is unreal to me.  Liking her or hating her is irrelevant (but it is a point that is CONTINUALLY brought up by her supporters), there are many people whom I disagree with but respect because of their actions (I&#039;ve brought up Pete Session on numerous occasions).

If I can add to your &quot;she&#039;s done more than anyone&quot; point, it is my belief that she has done more than anyone to strike a wedge within the Down syndrome community.  She has taken away the discourse regarding Down syndrome issues like early intervention and inclusion and turned it into a debate on abortion rights via her son&#039;s disability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the standards of an organization to define a person&#8217;s actions only when it&#8217;s convenient or relevant to your point&#8230;yes, that&#8217;s offensive.  She has had nothing to do with the NDSS, why would you try to make some sort of connection between her actions and that organization?  Certainly comes off as someone trying any way possible to justify someone&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>And to your &#8220;awareness&#8221; point &#8211; using that logic I guess we can say Ben Stiller has done much for Down syndrome &#8220;awareness&#8221; this year as well?</p>
<p>The inability to suspend political loyalties regarding this woman is unreal to me.  Liking her or hating her is irrelevant (but it is a point that is CONTINUALLY brought up by her supporters), there are many people whom I disagree with but respect because of their actions (I&#8217;ve brought up Pete Session on numerous occasions).</p>
<p>If I can add to your &#8220;she&#8217;s done more than anyone&#8221; point, it is my belief that she has done more than anyone to strike a wedge within the Down syndrome community.  She has taken away the discourse regarding Down syndrome issues like early intervention and inclusion and turned it into a debate on abortion rights via her son&#8217;s disability.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Honestly, my post offended you?

Re-read it - I didn&#039;t try to justify anything that Sarah Palin does.

Like her or hate her, the fact that Sarah Palin has a child with Down syndrome has done more to raise &quot;awareness&quot; about Down syndrome than many of the things the NDSS does.

That&#039;s not a knock on the NDSS - it&#039;s just reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Honestly, my post offended you?</p>
<p>Re-read it &#8211; I didn&#8217;t try to justify anything that Sarah Palin does.</p>
<p>Like her or hate her, the fact that Sarah Palin has a child with Down syndrome has done more to raise &#8220;awareness&#8221; about Down syndrome than many of the things the NDSS does.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a knock on the NDSS &#8211; it&#8217;s just reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2009/12/05/palin-anti-abortion-star-26278/comment-page-1/#comment-5282</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott - And I find it interesting that you use an organization that Sarah Palin has had absolutely nothing to do with to justify her actions.  Whenever it&#039;s convienient I guess.  

Your post, intentional or unintentional, is kind of offensive to those of us who are involved with the NDSS and do donate our time and effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott &#8211; And I find it interesting that you use an organization that Sarah Palin has had absolutely nothing to do with to justify her actions.  Whenever it&#8217;s convienient I guess.  </p>
<p>Your post, intentional or unintentional, is kind of offensive to those of us who are involved with the NDSS and do donate our time and effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hsiehale,
Speaking of keeping to a particular way, I find it interesting that you choose to label those that are pro-life as &quot;anti-choice.&quot;

Regarding Sarah Palin, the three primary goals of the National Down Syndrome Society are to promote awareness, acceptance and inclusion for individuals with Down syndrome.

First, you must have awareness before you can have the other two.

Whether it was intentional or unintentional or for better or worse, nobody has done more in the last year - maybe ever - to raise awareness about Down syndrome than the Palin family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hsiehale,<br />
Speaking of keeping to a particular way, I find it interesting that you choose to label those that are pro-life as &#8220;anti-choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding Sarah Palin, the three primary goals of the National Down Syndrome Society are to promote awareness, acceptance and inclusion for individuals with Down syndrome.</p>
<p>First, you must have awareness before you can have the other two.</p>
<p>Whether it was intentional or unintentional or for better or worse, nobody has done more in the last year &#8211; maybe ever &#8211; to raise awareness about Down syndrome than the Palin family.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth's Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2009/12/05/palin-anti-abortion-star-26278/comment-page-1/#comment-5275</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisabeth's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandy, While I&#039;m all for flaunting our children whenever possible,  apparently it has had little impact on the attitudes people have about DS and other disability labels going as far back as deGaulle&#039;s time. 

You would think that by now the transition for the adult population into the mainstream would be seamless, but it&#039;s not.  However one defines &quot;quality of life&quot; will continue to decide the fate of the unborn.  

While you &amp; I lavish the fantasy of seeing our children grow into adulthood with some independence (a safe, assisted-living group home &amp; a job) other people continue to see this as their nightmare.  

But I&#039;m not giving up and I&#039;m glad you&#039;re still hanging around, too.  Because as long as there are people around like you, I know that my daughter will have some sort of future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandy, While I&#8217;m all for flaunting our children whenever possible,  apparently it has had little impact on the attitudes people have about DS and other disability labels going as far back as deGaulle&#8217;s time. </p>
<p>You would think that by now the transition for the adult population into the mainstream would be seamless, but it&#8217;s not.  However one defines &#8220;quality of life&#8221; will continue to decide the fate of the unborn.  </p>
<p>While you &amp; I lavish the fantasy of seeing our children grow into adulthood with some independence (a safe, assisted-living group home &amp; a job) other people continue to see this as their nightmare.  </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not giving up and I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re still hanging around, too.  Because as long as there are people around like you, I know that my daughter will have some sort of future.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elisabeth&#039;s Mom: &quot;Isn&#039;t the battle the same for any mother (and father) whose child is valued less because they have a disability label?&quot;

Not to my thinking. To the best of my knowledge, the medical profession does not counsel that people with cerebral palsy, people with autism, people with any number of disabilities that cannot be detected in utero (and are at least as debilitating as Down Syndrome), be euthanized when the disability is diagnosed after birth. Unlike Down Syndrome and spina bifida and the other disabilities that can be detected through prenatal testing (including, as you say, your daughter&#039;s disability). Massive prenatal screening, the pressure brought to bear on pregnant women by a medical profession which - in my 25 years of experience - has become increasingly NON-supportive of people with Down Syndrome, result in abortion rates of 90%. 

hsiehale: I don&#039;t really think I can judge the motives of anyone else. Palin kept her baby and like most women in that situation, she probably received considerable medical advice in favor of abortion. Whatever her &quot;motives&quot;, the reality is that she had her son, and she is proud of him. He is VISIBLE.  

I&#039;m sure I would prefer a politician who is more in line with my political views, to have a child with Down Syndrome of whom they are equally proud, whom they &quot;flaunt&quot;. Unfortunately, the politician/father of a child with DS I most admire was -- hÃ©las -- another right-winger: Charles de Gaulle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elisabeth&#8217;s Mom: &#8220;Isn&#8217;t the battle the same for any mother (and father) whose child is valued less because they have a disability label?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to my thinking. To the best of my knowledge, the medical profession does not counsel that people with cerebral palsy, people with autism, people with any number of disabilities that cannot be detected in utero (and are at least as debilitating as Down Syndrome), be euthanized when the disability is diagnosed after birth. Unlike Down Syndrome and spina bifida and the other disabilities that can be detected through prenatal testing (including, as you say, your daughter&#8217;s disability). Massive prenatal screening, the pressure brought to bear on pregnant women by a medical profession which &#8211; in my 25 years of experience &#8211; has become increasingly NON-supportive of people with Down Syndrome, result in abortion rates of 90%. </p>
<p>hsiehale: I don&#8217;t really think I can judge the motives of anyone else. Palin kept her baby and like most women in that situation, she probably received considerable medical advice in favor of abortion. Whatever her &#8220;motives&#8221;, the reality is that she had her son, and she is proud of him. He is VISIBLE.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I would prefer a politician who is more in line with my political views, to have a child with Down Syndrome of whom they are equally proud, whom they &#8220;flaunt&#8221;. Unfortunately, the politician/father of a child with DS I most admire was &#8212; hÃ©las &#8212; another right-winger: Charles de Gaulle.</p>
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