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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Sorry, Mr. Stiller &#8230; You&#8217;ve crossed the line&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Jack Hoff</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-2455</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for cryin&#039; out loud!!!  Is this country so friggin&#039; PC now that even a damn satirical comedy film like this has to come under fire!?!  I saw the movie, and I laughed at most all of the characters in it, even &quot;Simple Jack&quot;.  He&#039;s not a real person!  Neither is &quot;Four Leaf&quot;! It&#039;s not a slam against &quot;mentally challenged&quot; (is that better?) people or Viet Nam vets.  Get over it!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for cryin&#8217; out loud!!!  Is this country so friggin&#8217; PC now that even a damn satirical comedy film like this has to come under fire!?!  I saw the movie, and I laughed at most all of the characters in it, even &#8220;Simple Jack&#8221;.  He&#8217;s not a real person!  Neither is &#8220;Four Leaf&#8221;! It&#8217;s not a slam against &#8220;mentally challenged&#8221; (is that better?) people or Viet Nam vets.  Get over it!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Once a fan of Ben Stiller</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-2240</link>
		<dc:creator>Once a fan of Ben Stiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only was the movie offensive to the disabled person, but the lack of consideration given to the feelings of a Vietnam War veteran. The opening scene was the worst I have ever seen. Within ten minutes of the movie my husband (who is a Vietnam vet) and I got up and left and demanded our money back. You can bet we will not recommend this movie to anyone. What was Mr. Stiller thinking when he decided to make a movie that made fun of the way many Vietnam vets died. The horror that many vets experienced should never be looked upon as a joke. Mr. Stiller has shown a total lack of respect to these men who gave their lives in fighting for our country. Mr. Stiller should be ashamed of himself. Blood squirting and guts falling out is not the least bit funny!!! Not to those who actually went through the war. Once a fan of Ben Stiller but, no longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only was the movie offensive to the disabled person, but the lack of consideration given to the feelings of a Vietnam War veteran. The opening scene was the worst I have ever seen. Within ten minutes of the movie my husband (who is a Vietnam vet) and I got up and left and demanded our money back. You can bet we will not recommend this movie to anyone. What was Mr. Stiller thinking when he decided to make a movie that made fun of the way many Vietnam vets died. The horror that many vets experienced should never be looked upon as a joke. Mr. Stiller has shown a total lack of respect to these men who gave their lives in fighting for our country. Mr. Stiller should be ashamed of himself. Blood squirting and guts falling out is not the least bit funny!!! Not to those who actually went through the war. Once a fan of Ben Stiller but, no longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Biletski</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-2173</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Biletski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched Tropic Thunder and it was great. I don&#039;t understand you people and your problem with the word retard or retarded to describe a handicappped person. That is exactly what they are; check the dictionary definition for the word. The use of the word in the movie was hilarious, and if I so choose to see a movie using it in a comedic way, I will pay my 12$ and go see it. You people shouldn&#039;t take away great quality humour from those of us that enjoy it. There was an R rating slapped on this movie by the way. You do go in there willingly. Besides, the point of the humour is targeted at actors not the retards of the world. Just sit back and relax and enjoy a really good movie. I enjoyed and smiled through almost every minute of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched Tropic Thunder and it was great. I don&#8217;t understand you people and your problem with the word retard or retarded to describe a handicappped person. That is exactly what they are; check the dictionary definition for the word. The use of the word in the movie was hilarious, and if I so choose to see a movie using it in a comedic way, I will pay my 12$ and go see it. You people shouldn&#8217;t take away great quality humour from those of us that enjoy it. There was an R rating slapped on this movie by the way. You do go in there willingly. Besides, the point of the humour is targeted at actors not the retards of the world. Just sit back and relax and enjoy a really good movie. I enjoyed and smiled through almost every minute of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Foote</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-1650</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect more from professionals who work with powerful visual images.  This film could have been pitched from the high ground instead of relying on a hurtful and degrading slur.  Shame on the film and those connected to it.  This is not ignorance, but outright maliciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect more from professionals who work with powerful visual images.  This film could have been pitched from the high ground instead of relying on a hurtful and degrading slur.  Shame on the film and those connected to it.  This is not ignorance, but outright maliciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth's Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-1647</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisabeth's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should always be an issue when we see people inaccurately characterised because of their disability. If we laugh at Ben&#039;s characterization of an actor portraying a person with a disability, then it&#039;s the same as laughing at someone&#039;s disability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should always be an issue when we see people inaccurately characterised because of their disability. If we laugh at Ben&#8217;s characterization of an actor portraying a person with a disability, then it&#8217;s the same as laughing at someone&#8217;s disability.</p>
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		<title>By: moviefan</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-1615</link>
		<dc:creator>moviefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its a movie, grow up and quit making issues out of things...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its a movie, grow up and quit making issues out of things&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth's Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-1612</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisabeth's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it.  DreamWorks claims that the use of &quot;retard&quot; is justified because it pokes fun at an industry that exploits, pities, patronizes and parodies the lives of our children with mental retardation labels? 

I think Daniel Day Lewis&#039;s non fictional Christy Brown and Dustin Hoffman&#039;s semi fictional &quot;Raymond&quot; were portrayed with dignity and respect.  So that leaves Tom Hank&#039;s and his &quot;Forrest Gump&quot; whose disability had nothing to do with the plot line or characterization ...

or did it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it.  DreamWorks claims that the use of &#8220;retard&#8221; is justified because it pokes fun at an industry that exploits, pities, patronizes and parodies the lives of our children with mental retardation labels? </p>
<p>I think Daniel Day Lewis&#8217;s non fictional Christy Brown and Dustin Hoffman&#8217;s semi fictional &#8220;Raymond&#8221; were portrayed with dignity and respect.  So that leaves Tom Hank&#8217;s and his &#8220;Forrest Gump&#8221; whose disability had nothing to do with the plot line or characterization &#8230;</p>
<p>or did it?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Gramenelles</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-1504</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Gramenelles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time for all of us to take a look at what we&#039;ve become.

Unfortunately, DreamWorks is no longer the class production outfit that it once was. It has lost its glory in the making of a picture that ridicules the least able in this society.

Is it a noble thing just to make money by using words that have been offensive ? Do we sell our souls, intellect and decency just to make a buck?

What is the mission of DreamWorks: to sell or to expand the minds of moviegoers ?

Steven Spielberg, you should be ashamed of yourself. You were once a great Producer-director-writer, who reached out and made us feel sad for a creature named ET. Now you are part of the dregs of society who can only make a buck appealing to those in society who lack compassion and vision.

It&#039;s my opinion that those who have power should use it for a greater good. There is no greater good in using demeaning gutter language for a profit or a laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for all of us to take a look at what we&#8217;ve become.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, DreamWorks is no longer the class production outfit that it once was. It has lost its glory in the making of a picture that ridicules the least able in this society.</p>
<p>Is it a noble thing just to make money by using words that have been offensive ? Do we sell our souls, intellect and decency just to make a buck?</p>
<p>What is the mission of DreamWorks: to sell or to expand the minds of moviegoers ?</p>
<p>Steven Spielberg, you should be ashamed of yourself. You were once a great Producer-director-writer, who reached out and made us feel sad for a creature named ET. Now you are part of the dregs of society who can only make a buck appealing to those in society who lack compassion and vision.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my opinion that those who have power should use it for a greater good. There is no greater good in using demeaning gutter language for a profit or a laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: lisbeth west</title>
		<link>http://www.patriciaebauer.com/2008/08/02/sorry-mr-stiller-2876/comment-page-1/#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>lisbeth west</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stronger we speak out against it, the better publicity it will receive. Our society has been sensitive with the word for almost twenty years and with the recent comments about autistic children in the popular culture gossip, it is in focus NOW.

The word might be heard on the children&#039;s playground but I have also heard parents tell their children not to use it.

The method and tactic for a lesson about the word&#039;s use and the meaning behind it -- is to let the consumer feel his feelings when he hears or sees it.

The immediate knee-jerk response to any attempt at PCing about a film or book or comment must be a shared experience. Until the consumer has the ability to react to blatant racism, sexism, disability (phobia?), homophobia and the culture bashing that Hollywood thinks will sell, he will not listen to our voices.

But they have heard their echo the process of understanding (explained in too much detail below) and acceptance is growing and taking root in our culture.

This doesn&#039;t happen overnight. We have gonged the bell and flown the flag - our victories in the ADA and our visibility in public is showing that we are not going away. A process must happen in social change: A loud thunder about the injustice, to be followed with education and awareness. &quot;Say it loud and wake &#039;em up&quot;. Then comes the softer approach (ADA appreciation awards, for instance) and the gift of actual dialog and discovery.

We are here at that point. The tone and content of this offensive movie (the bashing line-up) is simply too obviously wrong. To some it will be uncomfortable. Good. For some it will be a question in their minds. Good. For some there will be the sensing of the reaction of the people around them (peer pressure or group response) and THEY LEARN. They aren&#039;t told, preached to, warned, or even aware that this film is going to be educational in the debate it will bring later and the response we see after it sinks into our pop culture.

I have been in many many social change movements, this is the most important and the one that is probably most difficult for people to deal with. In truth, they are a doctor visit or a car accident away from changing their &quot;temporarily-able-bodied&quot; status; while some will respond to returning vets with clearer recognition and motivation for accessible public places. They see a soldier and don&#039;t think about their fear.

However, there is also a Puritan lesson that is permeated into our society and that has recently been shown by a celebrity, who was quoted as saying that the earthquake in China might have been karma for China&#039;s murderous uprising in Tibet - and was lambasted for it.

We use the word Karma without understanding. Before this word, we heard about &quot;burdens&quot;...  and the the depth of our socialization mentions the &quot;sins of the fathers&quot; in a whisper over the centuries of silence.

No, lets begin to trust the public a bit more and see what level of moral outrage they will meet when they see this movie. We would only cause better ticket sales among the target audience if we give them a word of dissent.

The public&#039;s discomfort soon moves to self-censorship and group pressure to find a different way to describe our movement. Historically the word or phrases become a taboo -- media responds, the public &quot;outcry&quot; is heard and celebrity careers are damaged or over.

 Finally (which hasn&#039;t happened and probably won&#039;t until we quit putting ourselves into labels and generalities and stereotypes and groups, but that&#039;s a later topic)  sociologically-speaking, we should move from Taboo to a More (pronounced moray). That is when the awareness and sensitivity to a judgment or action is, well, just a deeply rooted as the fears that we see now in &quot;temporarily able bodied&quot; persons. One of our social mores is cannibalism.  As you can imagine, it changes through cultures.

I my soapbox on wheels under the desk, so I can bring it out whenever I need it and can roll it back under when it is time to listen. It&#039;s back under the desk. (Sometimes my hubby hides it...  ; )

So I shall remain your friend and comrade in the most important social change movement of them all!


disabled and proud
lisbeth west

join me on Facebook to keep educating and influencing thousand of people!!!  http://profile.to/westgallery (or search my name)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stronger we speak out against it, the better publicity it will receive. Our society has been sensitive with the word for almost twenty years and with the recent comments about autistic children in the popular culture gossip, it is in focus NOW.</p>
<p>The word might be heard on the children&#8217;s playground but I have also heard parents tell their children not to use it.</p>
<p>The method and tactic for a lesson about the word&#8217;s use and the meaning behind it &#8212; is to let the consumer feel his feelings when he hears or sees it.</p>
<p>The immediate knee-jerk response to any attempt at PCing about a film or book or comment must be a shared experience. Until the consumer has the ability to react to blatant racism, sexism, disability (phobia?), homophobia and the culture bashing that Hollywood thinks will sell, he will not listen to our voices.</p>
<p>But they have heard their echo the process of understanding (explained in too much detail below) and acceptance is growing and taking root in our culture.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t happen overnight. We have gonged the bell and flown the flag &#8211; our victories in the ADA and our visibility in public is showing that we are not going away. A process must happen in social change: A loud thunder about the injustice, to be followed with education and awareness. &#8220;Say it loud and wake &#8216;em up&#8221;. Then comes the softer approach (ADA appreciation awards, for instance) and the gift of actual dialog and discovery.</p>
<p>We are here at that point. The tone and content of this offensive movie (the bashing line-up) is simply too obviously wrong. To some it will be uncomfortable. Good. For some it will be a question in their minds. Good. For some there will be the sensing of the reaction of the people around them (peer pressure or group response) and THEY LEARN. They aren&#8217;t told, preached to, warned, or even aware that this film is going to be educational in the debate it will bring later and the response we see after it sinks into our pop culture.</p>
<p>I have been in many many social change movements, this is the most important and the one that is probably most difficult for people to deal with. In truth, they are a doctor visit or a car accident away from changing their &#8220;temporarily-able-bodied&#8221; status; while some will respond to returning vets with clearer recognition and motivation for accessible public places. They see a soldier and don&#8217;t think about their fear.</p>
<p>However, there is also a Puritan lesson that is permeated into our society and that has recently been shown by a celebrity, who was quoted as saying that the earthquake in China might have been karma for China&#8217;s murderous uprising in Tibet &#8211; and was lambasted for it.</p>
<p>We use the word Karma without understanding. Before this word, we heard about &#8220;burdens&#8221;&#8230;  and the the depth of our socialization mentions the &#8220;sins of the fathers&#8221; in a whisper over the centuries of silence.</p>
<p>No, lets begin to trust the public a bit more and see what level of moral outrage they will meet when they see this movie. We would only cause better ticket sales among the target audience if we give them a word of dissent.</p>
<p>The public&#8217;s discomfort soon moves to self-censorship and group pressure to find a different way to describe our movement. Historically the word or phrases become a taboo &#8212; media responds, the public &#8220;outcry&#8221; is heard and celebrity careers are damaged or over.</p>
<p> Finally (which hasn&#8217;t happened and probably won&#8217;t until we quit putting ourselves into labels and generalities and stereotypes and groups, but that&#8217;s a later topic)  sociologically-speaking, we should move from Taboo to a More (pronounced moray). That is when the awareness and sensitivity to a judgment or action is, well, just a deeply rooted as the fears that we see now in &#8220;temporarily able bodied&#8221; persons. One of our social mores is cannibalism.  As you can imagine, it changes through cultures.</p>
<p>I my soapbox on wheels under the desk, so I can bring it out whenever I need it and can roll it back under when it is time to listen. It&#8217;s back under the desk. (Sometimes my hubby hides it&#8230;  ; )</p>
<p>So I shall remain your friend and comrade in the most important social change movement of them all!</p>
<p>disabled and proud<br />
lisbeth west</p>
<p>join me on Facebook to keep educating and influencing thousand of people!!!  <a href="http://profile.to/westgallery" rel="nofollow">http://profile.to/westgallery</a> (or search my name)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always refuse the word RETARD. It is not right to do that to people who you care about. We all have challenges we face head on. I know what it is like to to called that word.

Even when my sister and I went to elementary school together, I was called retarded. And I did not know how to express how I felt. So my sister and her friends stood by me and were there to support me 100 percent. 

When I reached high school and I was playing volleyball I heard some people say, Hey, Retard. And I said nothing. The next thing I heard them say was, You can&#039;t do anything right. You are a retarded fool. By then I said, You have a problem.

After that I walked away and I got new friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always refuse the word RETARD. It is not right to do that to people who you care about. We all have challenges we face head on. I know what it is like to to called that word.</p>
<p>Even when my sister and I went to elementary school together, I was called retarded. And I did not know how to express how I felt. So my sister and her friends stood by me and were there to support me 100 percent. </p>
<p>When I reached high school and I was playing volleyball I heard some people say, Hey, Retard. And I said nothing. The next thing I heard them say was, You can&#8217;t do anything right. You are a retarded fool. By then I said, You have a problem.</p>
<p>After that I walked away and I got new friends.</p>
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