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	<title>Comments on: Dr. Phil advises institutionalization for boy with DS, autism</title>
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		<title>By: april</title>
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		<dc:creator>april</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see how anyone can judge this poor woman. Unless you have a child with severe autism, you have no idea what this is like!  It is extremely different than any other disability!
 
I do have a child with severe autism. He is 7 and his siblings are 5 and 9. I never expected this to happen to us! It has completely changed our lives forever. My girls aren't getting the childhoods I have always dreamt for them to have.  We don't get to go out as a family and do the typical things a family does. Even going to a store is a huge challenge! 
 
Our son has gotten beyond the point of being able to control. Everywhere he goes he wants to find the toilet.  That is his obsession, just to flush it over and over. Once dragged out of the public bathroom, he has a fit on the floor of the store.

We are constantly cleaning up urine and feces all over his room and even other places. He rips all toys apart.  He flooded our first floor twice by flushing rolls of toilet paper down the toilet. I am up crying. My marriage is stressed. He literally attacks his sisters. 
 
It is no fun any more. He is getting too big and too hard. Unless you are in my shoes, you have no idea what this is like!

We are barely surviving. Yes, we have done all of the therapies and are now in a large debt due to them. None of these helped out son enough to make a difference and insurance did not cover them.

I ask you not to judge this poor woman. I can so empathize with her and feel her pain. It is always easy for the rest of you to judge and if you were faced with this I KNOW you would feel so differently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how anyone can judge this poor woman. Unless you have a child with severe autism, you have no idea what this is like!  It is extremely different than any other disability!</p>
<p>I do have a child with severe autism. He is 7 and his siblings are 5 and 9. I never expected this to happen to us! It has completely changed our lives forever. My girls aren&#8217;t getting the childhoods I have always dreamt for them to have.  We don&#8217;t get to go out as a family and do the typical things a family does. Even going to a store is a huge challenge! </p>
<p>Our son has gotten beyond the point of being able to control. Everywhere he goes he wants to find the toilet.  That is his obsession, just to flush it over and over. Once dragged out of the public bathroom, he has a fit on the floor of the store.</p>
<p>We are constantly cleaning up urine and feces all over his room and even other places. He rips all toys apart.  He flooded our first floor twice by flushing rolls of toilet paper down the toilet. I am up crying. My marriage is stressed. He literally attacks his sisters. </p>
<p>It is no fun any more. He is getting too big and too hard. Unless you are in my shoes, you have no idea what this is like!</p>
<p>We are barely surviving. Yes, we have done all of the therapies and are now in a large debt due to them. None of these helped out son enough to make a difference and insurance did not cover them.</p>
<p>I ask you not to judge this poor woman. I can so empathize with her and feel her pain. It is always easy for the rest of you to judge and if you were faced with this I KNOW you would feel so differently!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 59-year-old woman born with cerebral palsy, I find Dr. Phil's advice very appalling, but mostly just plain ignorant. I was born in a time when this was common advice given by doctors to parents who gave birth to a child with a deformity, and I could have been one of those "institutionalized" babies condemned to a "living death."

Instead, I had a mother who worked against the system and made sure I had every opportunity to be an independent, productive member of the community. She taught me the value I had to offer and not to allow the poor judgments of others define who I am.

I fought the odds and have succeeded. I graduated from high school when most children with disabilities barely made it through eighth grade. I got a driver's license when the only acceptable drivers with disabilities were the ones paralyzed from the waist down -- they could use hand controls. I went to college and got a BA in journalism and a MS in rehab counseling when most universities were not designed or prepared to serve people with disabilities. I have had countless jobs in the last 31 years as an advocate, instructor, and public speaker for people with developmental disabilities --- yet I was told at age 18 by the Department of Rehabilitation that I was considered unemployable because I had cerebral palsy.

My point is that every human being has potential and value -- even that screaming 12-year-old in diapers. If his greatest success in life is simply to plant a flower seed, he will have succeeded in bringing a little more beauty into this dismal world. He is entitled to that opportunity and does not deserve to be flushed away  and forgotten as a human being. When we extinguish the ignorance and provide the needed help, wondrous things can occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 59-year-old woman born with cerebral palsy, I find Dr. Phil&#8217;s advice very appalling, but mostly just plain ignorant. I was born in a time when this was common advice given by doctors to parents who gave birth to a child with a deformity, and I could have been one of those &#8220;institutionalized&#8221; babies condemned to a &#8220;living death.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead, I had a mother who worked against the system and made sure I had every opportunity to be an independent, productive member of the community. She taught me the value I had to offer and not to allow the poor judgments of others define who I am.</p>
<p>I fought the odds and have succeeded. I graduated from high school when most children with disabilities barely made it through eighth grade. I got a driver&#8217;s license when the only acceptable drivers with disabilities were the ones paralyzed from the waist down &#8212; they could use hand controls. I went to college and got a BA in journalism and a MS in rehab counseling when most universities were not designed or prepared to serve people with disabilities. I have had countless jobs in the last 31 years as an advocate, instructor, and public speaker for people with developmental disabilities &#8212; yet I was told at age 18 by the Department of Rehabilitation that I was considered unemployable because I had cerebral palsy.</p>
<p>My point is that every human being has potential and value &#8212; even that screaming 12-year-old in diapers. If his greatest success in life is simply to plant a flower seed, he will have succeeded in bringing a little more beauty into this dismal world. He is entitled to that opportunity and does not deserve to be flushed away  and forgotten as a human being. When we extinguish the ignorance and provide the needed help, wondrous things can occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the comments that accompany the images on Dr. Phil' site, I think his suggestions have been taken out of context. It appears as if he's suggesting temporary "off site" respite so that the family can regroup. It also sounds as if he's suggesting that the care facility would work to set up a behavioral plan of sorts and/or give the parents insight on how to best manage their son at home. I also think that if we were all honest, there are times many of us with a child with a dual diagnosis of DS and autism have felt this way at one time or another (that we need a break -- NOT that we want to institutionalize our children). We (or at least I) rarely verbalize to anyone but my husband for fear of the backlash in the disability community. That being said, I agree that this family -- the mom in particular -- needs a break, needs more respite, needs support and understanding. The last thing she needs is to be judged.

(For what it's worth, in my county people who are at the end of their ropes with parenting are encouraged to call the county and get help to avoid child abuse or worse...if we judge and berate parents who seek this, we're defeating the purpose of this plan.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the comments that accompany the images on Dr. Phil&#8217; site, I think his suggestions have been taken out of context. It appears as if he&#8217;s suggesting temporary &#8220;off site&#8221; respite so that the family can regroup. It also sounds as if he&#8217;s suggesting that the care facility would work to set up a behavioral plan of sorts and/or give the parents insight on how to best manage their son at home. I also think that if we were all honest, there are times many of us with a child with a dual diagnosis of DS and autism have felt this way at one time or another (that we need a break &#8212; NOT that we want to institutionalize our children). We (or at least I) rarely verbalize to anyone but my husband for fear of the backlash in the disability community. That being said, I agree that this family &#8212; the mom in particular &#8212; needs a break, needs more respite, needs support and understanding. The last thing she needs is to be judged.</p>
<p>(For what it&#8217;s worth, in my county people who are at the end of their ropes with parenting are encouraged to call the county and get help to avoid child abuse or worse&#8230;if we judge and berate parents who seek this, we&#8217;re defeating the purpose of this plan.)</p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4.8 million people have just heard "institutionalize your kid" from one of our national gurus -- as a first suggestion. This is an outdated, inappropriate and mostly unavailable option in 2008. Essentially he offered this family nothing .... offered this child nothing ... but he DID sustain and promote the stereotypes and prejudices that make disability so disabling. 

All in a day's work, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4.8 million people have just heard &#8220;institutionalize your kid&#8221; from one of our national gurus &#8212; as a first suggestion. This is an outdated, inappropriate and mostly unavailable option in 2008. Essentially he offered this family nothing &#8230;. offered this child nothing &#8230; but he DID sustain and promote the stereotypes and prejudices that make disability so disabling. </p>
<p>All in a day&#8217;s work, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Jo Ann Wilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Jo Ann Wilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Dr. Phil; before he makes a sweeping statement like that, he should do some research. In Michigan, we closed all but two facilities for the developmentally disabled. We promote inclusion in every part of life:  education, occupation, and accommodations in the community.

Dr. Phil, you are a wonderful advocate for mental health. How about interviewing parents of children and adult children with developmental disability who channel them toward independence?

The mother you interviewed sounds like she needs respite, hope and encouragement from other mothers of disabled children.

I know what I am talking about. My son is 37 years old and living independently.  He loves his life. We have never regretted giving him life. He is a blessing and he has taught us so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Dr. Phil; before he makes a sweeping statement like that, he should do some research. In Michigan, we closed all but two facilities for the developmentally disabled. We promote inclusion in every part of life:  education, occupation, and accommodations in the community.</p>
<p>Dr. Phil, you are a wonderful advocate for mental health. How about interviewing parents of children and adult children with developmental disability who channel them toward independence?</p>
<p>The mother you interviewed sounds like she needs respite, hope and encouragement from other mothers of disabled children.</p>
<p>I know what I am talking about. My son is 37 years old and living independently.  He loves his life. We have never regretted giving him life. He is a blessing and he has taught us so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have been talked to about institutionalizing my 6-year-old son. Get this, by our family doctor!

Yes, it's difficult to cope with a child with a disability.

Yes, it takes time and energy to do this every day.

Yes, my child gets bigger and bigger physically each and every day, and at the same time, I get older and more frail.

But how could I look into his big blue eyes, smiling face, and not want to spend every available moment with my son? To tuck him in at night and tickle him every morning?

Only people who have never experienced this type of love can talk about placing a child with a disability into the hands of another to care for.

Don't institutionalize your son. Learn to cope.

Angel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have been talked to about institutionalizing my 6-year-old son. Get this, by our family doctor!</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s difficult to cope with a child with a disability.</p>
<p>Yes, it takes time and energy to do this every day.</p>
<p>Yes, my child gets bigger and bigger physically each and every day, and at the same time, I get older and more frail.</p>
<p>But how could I look into his big blue eyes, smiling face, and not want to spend every available moment with my son? To tuck him in at night and tickle him every morning?</p>
<p>Only people who have never experienced this type of love can talk about placing a child with a disability into the hands of another to care for.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t institutionalize your son. Learn to cope.</p>
<p>Angel</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Jarvis Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Jarvis Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have closed all our institutions down in Oregon. They had huge problems and were a throwback.

How about suggesting respite, support, love and acceptance?

This was quite shocking to me

Angela Jarvis Holland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have closed all our institutions down in Oregon. They had huge problems and were a throwback.</p>
<p>How about suggesting respite, support, love and acceptance?</p>
<p>This was quite shocking to me</p>
<p>Angela Jarvis Holland</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BARF!
 
I tell you.  
 
I am so sick of wimps selling their kids with disabilities out for their own fear and inadequacy.  
Only to relieve them from their parenting obligations.   
 
Society  and role models like Phil McGraw,  rush to the rescue to take away their problem. 
 
I saw an Arizona License plate yesterday, what a beautiful plate.  The message read,  "being a child should never hurt".
 
HMM, I wonder what percentage of people/citizens hear a "but" after those kinds of statements. But not a child like that.
 
We really do not value life like we think we do; 
only our own and we think everyone else needs it.


 
Louise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BARF!</p>
<p>I tell you.  </p>
<p>I am so sick of wimps selling their kids with disabilities out for their own fear and inadequacy.<br />
Only to relieve them from their parenting obligations.   </p>
<p>Society  and role models like Phil McGraw,  rush to the rescue to take away their problem. </p>
<p>I saw an Arizona License plate yesterday, what a beautiful plate.  The message read,  &#8220;being a child should never hurt&#8221;.</p>
<p>HMM, I wonder what percentage of people/citizens hear a &#8220;but&#8221; after those kinds of statements. But not a child like that.</p>
<p>We really do not value life like we think we do;<br />
only our own and we think everyone else needs it.</p>
<p>Louise</p>
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